Lutheranism

Lutherans are a sometimes neglected group of evangelicals, since they lie somewhere in between Arminianism and Calvinism in their view of divine sovereignty, and embrace neither dispensationalism nor covenant theology in their understanding how the Old and New Testaments relate to one another. Their liturgical worship and their understanding of baptism and the Lord's Supper bear some resemblance to Catholic practice, but their doctrine of salvation is emphatically Protestant. Ultimately, Lutheranism is best understood on its own terms rather than by comparison to other systems.

True Lutherans confess the true faith of the Holy catholic (universal) and apostolic church that has always existed whether it was called Israel or Christian (first at Antioch).

These roots mean that Lutherans are Liturgical. They follow an orderly and ancient pattern in our worship. With our hymns, Scripture readings, sermons, and the Lord's Supper, we also sing songs and chants from the worship of the Old and New Testament churches. On any Sunday, literally millions of Lutherans around the world may, in their own languages, be singing and praying the very same thing. It binds together a wide spread church. The liturgy is not meant to be stiff and stuffy, but it is formal. It speaks of the mystery and the majesty of God. In this area, they most resemble the Roman Catholic, Anglican-Episcopal, and Eastern Orthodox Churches.

Lutheranism was all about reforming the Roman Catholic church. Luther and the reformers wanted to correct what they thought was incorrect doctrine but preserve everything else.

Calvinism and the other reformers seemed to want to get rid of everything catholic, whether it was good or not. Luther abhorred this.

My issue I might have to deal with is liturgy. The ELCA is a liturgical church.

I was hardly involved in churches that practices liturgy. The Greek word for "ministers" is leitourgos, from which we get the word "liturgy." It speaks of religious service to God. Paul chose the word that referred to a ministry specifically to God. In Hosea 6:6 the Lord says, “I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice, and in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.” To me, we should not imagine that worship consists of acts of religious ritual—like sacrifices, burnt offerings, and other ceremonies. Instead, we need to realize that real worship is grounded in the true knowledge of God. To put it another way, sound doctrine, not liturgy and ritual, is the litmus test of whether our worship is acceptable. A liturgy is a set form of ceremony or pattern of worship. Christian liturgy is a pattern for worship used (whether recommended or prescribed) by a Christian congregation or denomination on a regular basis.



Paul as a Pharisee knew that much of their service was merely routine and liturgy--physical, superficial, and temporal. The English word liturgy comes from it. It basically means, "to serve in a priestly manner, to serve in terms of worship."

Pride, Relgious and Spiritual

I have an issue with pride because pride can lead a Christian to think, “Look what I've accomplished.” I am not yet perfect, but I thank God and my Lord Jesus Christ that I am done with the past and I do now trust in my Savior for full deliverance from all my sins. Sometimes, according to the Scriptures, we must move away from bad teachings which means we are to seperate from those teachings we disagree with. Regardless of the teachings (doctrines), we all are Christian first according to Jesus Christ's teachings (not the Church's teachings). A church is an assembly of believers. Just like a family, a local church is our spiritual family. It is only in the local body to which one is committed that there can be the level of intimacy that is required for spiritual growth with brothers/sisters in Christ "to love and good deeds." Only through that kind spiritual initamcy where we can encourage one another. Is my faith being lead by my own flesh's efforts? Or, is my faith being lead by the Holy Spirit? Efforts comes from Holy Spirit through the power of Grace.

We will never be perfect but we can be filled. The Greek word for "dwells" is okv (oike), which means "I inhabit." "If Christ is in us, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness" (Romans 8:10). "My temorary body is decaying at the same time, my inner being is being renewed day by day" (2 Cor 4:16). It is God's will that we submit to the Holy Spirit and keep on filling (Ephesians 5:18). Like an athlete when training, we should always keep drinking water so that we won't be dehydrated and feeling weak. With that thought in mind, we should always keep filling the Holy Spirit so that we are able to act and react any given situations. "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness." (2 Cor. 12:9).

My main concern is the same as Lutheran Pastor, Dietrich Bonhoeffer's. Bonhoeffer’s concept of "costly grace" has appealed to many who think it is the answer to the apathy and worldliness of contemporary (1930's) Christians. From reading Dietrich's book, "The Cost of Discipleship" which first published in English in 1949. He wrote: 'costly grace' as opposed to 'cheap grace, ' which he described as 'Grace without price; grace without cost, ' or "grace without discipleship.'

"Christianity without discipleship is always Christianity without Christ." Dietrich Bonhoeffer

A disciple must understand that God is both holy and loving; that I am a sinner, are made in the image of God; that Christ's death was the substitute payment for my sin; and that because of Jesus' payment, I am granted access to the heart of God. Sin by accident as part of our sinful nature: Those who are in Christ.

This is why Jesus talks about discipleship. Remember the story about the rich ruler? Jesus looked after the rich young ruler as he walked away, but Jesus did not follow him or attempt to coerce him. Jesus wants people make their own moral choices; and Christ knew this and permitted rich ruler to go his own chosen way. Jesus is saying that He cannot do our repenting for us. He died for our sins, now it is up to us to pick up the cross. "Salvation is free, ... but discipleship will cost you your life." (Dietrich Bonhoeffer)

Regarding preaching the Gospel, especially to the deaf, there is Amercian Sign Language (ASL). There are interpretors who will interpret different languages between cultures. Tower of Babel that scattered everyone who were speaking different languages. In the New Testament, there were many verses that talked about Christians being scattered all over the world. Why? Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations." Nation from the greek word "Ethnos". Strongs defines Ethnos as a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together as a company, troop, swarm. A multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus the human family a tribe, nation, people group (Culture). I was involved in a deaf culture for many years and reached out to them. God had a purpose for each one of us. The BEST Evangelist is the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ and as I talk, the Holy Spirit will work in a person's heart to be convicted. I share while the Holy Spirit does the REAL work.

I am not seeking assurance because I know I have the assurance. The Holy Spirit gave me assurance of my faith and doctrines I follow. No Church, No Denomination, No pastors or anyone can do this for me. Holy Spirit is the ONLY person who can do this through the Word of God.

As far as playing Christian or "religion", people will always look on appearance or how they feel or whether the gospel being preached purely/spiritual and the Sacraments being administered "rightly/ritely". I am reminded of the following verses:

Romans 12:3 - "For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you."

Galatians 6:3 "If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself."

James 1:26 says, "If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless."

We can fake other people but we can't fake to God. It is important to understand that our hearts are the state of our "flesh". Our flesh search for pleasure, pride, passions and selfish motives. Our hearts are like a garden with beautiful flowers and plants. As with all gardens, the hearts must be kept free from weeds and insects. God is not impressed by our works or how we worship. In 1. Samuel 16:7, The Lord said to Samuel, "Don't judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The Lord don't make decisions the way you do. People judge by outward appearance (i.e. works), but the Lord looks at a person's thoughts and intentions (heart)."

There is no comparison of other flesh between believers however ourselves, the Word of God and Holy Spirit. True worship involves spiritually as well the intellect as much as the emotions from within and that the truth that worship is to be focused on God, not on the worshiper. Jesus was teaching that worship embraces what we do in life, not just what we do in the formal place of worship. This is what Paul was saying in Romans 12:1 "Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy, and pleasing to God, this is your spiritual act of worship." As we worship, we must worship in spirit, not in flesh as Paul wrote in Philippians 3:3 "We are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh"

Extremists and Liberals

I do believe very much in being a responsible Christian, however that responsibility is defined for the Christian by the Bible but no humanism reasoning. We should all take a long hard look at what things we consider to be important from God's perspective rather than man's perspective. Every person must decide whether they will us their liberty to decide on their doctrinal beliefs. We are free, but our freedom does not mean we can know for SURE what is right and what is wrong.

Is there a question about God's character or His power in our lives? When we know, we must accept and believe; until we know we can maintain our spiritual integrity only by admitting our ignorance; and that very ignorance will encourage us to search the Word carefully.

There are two major views:

1. Extremists OFTEN will ignore the most necessary that God desires and break God's spiritual harmony. If you look back that Jesus rebuked religious leaders who had extreme doctrines that intimindated others who don't follow their rules.

2. Liberals OFTEN are called the "enabler". Enabler means one that enables another to achieve an end by providing excuses or by helping that individual avoid the consequences of such behavior. If God was in a church meeting today to discuss a moral change within the local church, how would you react? Would God change His holiness in order to change the church's views on various sins? Why people leaving Churches that teaches God's holiness? Why some are moving to another church that don't really teach God's holiness?

I can see why there are "divisions" within Christianity. Martin Luther began this even though it was NOT his intent. He was trying to "reform" the RCC by working for biblical reform from within. Some leaders have "relaxed" God's holiness without God's permission which is why Luther wrote 95 Theses regarding man's doctrines.

True revivals humble men before God and emphasize the person of Christ. Sometimes, according to the Scriptures, we must move away from bad teachings which means we are to seperate from those teachings we disagree with. Regardless of the teachings (doctrines), we all are Christian first according to Jesus Christ's teachings (not the Church's teachings).

We have to remember that the Bible is truth while doctrines are taught by man. I am a Christian FIRST. Secondary is the doctrines I rely on based on the Holy Spirit's conviction. In God's grace through Jesus Christ, I am free from bondage of sin. The Book of Hebrews explains that Jesus is the mediator, the executor, of The New Covenant (The New Testament).

We must be careful not to disobey God's Word to any church reasoning.

Literal

I do have one concerned question about "literally" true issue, that is my main issue.

Job, Jonah and others stories to me are literally true according to God's power however seem so "unreal" from sinner point of view. Unbelief is the oldest of the many spiritual diseases by which fallen human nature is afflicted. They refuse to accept anything which they cannot understand. Inspiration, Miracles, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Atonement, the Holy Spirit, the Resurrection, the Future State, all these mighty verities are viewed with cold indifference as disputable points, if not absolutely rejected. Can we entirely explain them? Who has not known that some of the minor facts and miracles of the Bible are the ostensible reasons which many assign why they cannot receive the Book as true, and make it their rule of faith and practice. People talk of the ark, and the passage of the Red Sea, and Balaam's ass, and Jonah in the whale's belly, and ask you sarcastically if you really believe such things to be credible and historically true.

In Matthew 12:40 Jesus said, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

I have been studying Job. Job reads like history. It talks about a man named Job. He lived in the land of Uz. It relates details about his family, his life, and his suffering. It communicates to us his friends' interest in his suffering, and the spiritual struggling with which Job dealt. What's interesting is that other biblical writers refer to Job as a real person. Ezekiel refers to Job along with Noah and Daniel (Ezekiel 14:14,20). And James draws upon the example of Job to comfort the suffering, proving the point that God is merciful. He commends the endurance of Job (Jas. 5:11).

Losing Salvation?

I don't believe that we can lose our salvation, however, some are most likely were NOT saved in the first place. We take credit for almost everything we achieve, even our salvation. That is why the Apostle Paul wrote, “Your salvation is nothing you have achieved by your good works. It is a gift of God. You receive it by faith. That way no one can boast of his own accomplishments.” Ephesians 2:8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God." When a Christian who is saved by the conviction of the Holy Spirit, this Christian is living in a new Creature with holy conscience rather than sinful conscience. As a Christian, I still can have sinful desires, foolish desires, proud desires and at the same time, have godly desires. If we didn't feel the conviction and didn't have the motivation to change from "within", then we should be concerned whether we are truly saved or not. "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." The condition of the heart determines how receptive a person is to the gospel.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 "because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake."

The Holy Spirit seals our salvation. 2 Corinthians 3:6 "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

Corinthians 1:22 "Set His seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come."

Ephesians 1:13 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit."

Ephesians 4:30 "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."

2 Timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his, " and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."

Reading Ephesians, we can ‘grieve' the Spirit by living like the pagans (4:17-19), by yielding to our sin nature (2:22-24), by lying (4:25), by anger (4:26-27), by stealing (4:28), by cursing (4:29), by bitterness (4:31), by being unforgiving (4:32), by sexual immorality (5:3-5). To "grieve" the Spirit is to act out in a sinful manner, whether it is in thought and deed, or in thought.

The new Covenant is sealed in the blood of Jesus, Who is our Savior and Mediator, brought us together with His Grace and Mercy that we have great spiritual and eternal freedom. The Old Testament priests, sacrifices, and sanctuary are superseded by the mediation of Jesus, the crucified, risen, and reigning God-man (Heb. 1-10), in whom believers now find their identity as the seed of Abraham and the people of God (Gal. 3:29; 1 Pet. 2:4-10). Hebrews 9:15 "For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant."

Christ through His death and resurrection, every legal hindrance has been met and satisfied. There is nothing that can keep me from the promise. Its not about thinking our way into salvation or to reason our way into salvation. The only way to get in is to believe Him with my heart which is sealed by the Holy Spirit through the gift of Faith, through Jesus Christ, His grace and the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Back in the days when I was a prodical Christian, there was a possibility that I was not saved. As I see Christians around me and they reminded me of "me" when I was away from God. Just like King David. David messed up big time but God told us through the Bible that David was truly after God's heart. Jesus Christ’s redemptive work on the cross have provided the solution for my salvation and the foundation for me to pursue a life that reflects Christ. I believe that the truth of God’s Word have already set me FREE from the bondage of sin. (John 8:32) I believe that Jesus and the Word of God are SUFFICIENT for life and godliness. (2 Peter 1:3-9) and the Holy Spirit provided me the principles and guidelines to live a life of godliness. It is the Holy Spirit's conviction that God’s design for me is to be radically TRANSFORMED by the renewing of my mind. (Romans 12:2) My hope for this radical transformation is by the POWER of the Holy Spirit. (Romans 15:13).

I understand the concept of Paul's ex-communicate however, the situation is between Church leaders and church members. However, this does not apply to spiritual salvation. As Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his, " and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."

Even a priest nor any other pastor would know if a person's salvation is true. Just as the Roman Catholic treated Martin Luther with ex-communicate. We must openly discuss with all who will listen, treating all Christians as fellow Christians, but we must call apostasy, apostasy. Apostasy always begins with the heart where a person is turning back which is deliberate and decisive. Faith is a gift, whether a person actually "recieved" faith as a gift is the question. Jesus is the Lord who says, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny Himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me" (Luke 9:23). To obey Him is to enjoy the fellowship of God and true believers, a fellowship of light (1 John 1:5-7). A person's heart is always found running in the direction of his/her desires. The heart that desires often leads a person towards the wrong direction. Those who believed that God will not allow Christians to suffer are in big trouble and probably won't last.

I like this quote:
"Don't stay away from church because there are so many hypocrites. There's always room for one more." Arthur R. Adams

Jesus is my Shepherd, just as Peter explains in 1 Peter 2:25 "For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls."

When I read the following verses,
2 Corinthians 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

How can God "unseal" my salvation? I don't find any scripture verses that explains this. Remember, Jesus as the Shepheard? John 10:28 "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of My hand." How can one who saved get snatched out of His hand?

I looked at LCMS's website and see this quote

As Jesus says in John 15:16: "You did not choose me; but I chose you...." Conversion is solely the work of the Holy Spirit: "No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3). What may appear to be a "decision" from a human perspective is actually the result of the work of the Holy Spirit through the power of the Gospel. (http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=4410)

The Holy Spirit is the key. Faith comes as a result of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit-He quickens our hearts to believe. Apart from the new birth, there can be no true faith. Without the Holy Spirit, our faith and our works are NOTHING. Through the Holy Spirit, God's grace gave us the strength.

About not being saved in the first place, that could happen and that can happen. People can "play" Christians while their hearts deceives them. In a person's heart, if he or she truly did not accept Christ as their savior means they have rejected. Blasphemes against the Holy Spirit Luke 12:10 “And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven."

Becoming a disciple, following Jesus Christ requires personal cost, giving up your selfish "me" and become like Christ. What does it mean to become like Jesus Christ? That is the REAL question. There are so many who will proclaim to be a Christian but only few are really Christians. There are millions of professing Christians who "think" they have been justified, who think their sins are forgiven and that they are on their way to heaven, who show no evidence of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Many Christians are unthinkably horrified when a real sinner is suddenly discovered among the righteous. So we remain alone with our sin, living in lies and hypocrisy.

Humility and Feet Washing

Back in the days at the time of the foot washing, it was more of a cultural thing because sandals did little to keep dirt off the feet. At the entrance to every Jewish home was a large pot of water to wash dirty feet. Normally, foot washing was the duty of the lowliest slave. Jesus had said to the twelve, "Whoever wishes to be great among you shall be your servant, and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave" (Matthew 20:26‑27). Jesus was demonstrating love as He "Removed His outer garment, girded his loins with a towel, went about and began to wash their feet." Jesus is advocating loving service, and Biblical love is self-sacrificing service which is part of the "community". Its a reminder that the life of the church is made up of spiritual attitudes and spiritual motivations, spiritual graces that come from deep within the community. Its a reminder of this verse in Ephesians 4:4, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."

One thing I like about feet washing is a reminder that there is "NO ME" in Church. A humbled Christian wants to see other Christians above self and is happy when others are promoted and a spiritual Christian with humility is overlooked. Community, Unity and Love reminds me of this verse: "That if we have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from His love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make our joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose." (Philippians 2:1-2). Feet washing is an primary example of humility however, it is more than that. When Peter refused to allow Jesus to wash His feet, Jesus gave a curious answer: "Unless I wash you, you have no part with me...A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet, his whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you" (John 13:8, 10). Judas wasn't clean. Jesus is the one who does the real cleansing on the inside. He does that constantly, as we appropriate His forgiveness. At a church communion service, this is pictured in a very meaningful, Christ-like way.

I just believe that by doing feet washing will benefit us more than we do not.

Examination, Conviction and Denomination

I don't want to be guilty of "circular reasoning." I am doing this based on conviction as Lutherans believe with this quote " "It should be remembered that acceptance of the Bible as the sole authority for teaching comes not from rational arguments or human traditions, but is a conviction produced by the Holy Spirit in the human heart. In other words, it is a matter of faith worked by the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures themselves (see 1 Thess. 2:13)!". When I was researching LCMS's website about Holy Scriptures, I saw what I like "the necessity and importance of praying for the Holy Spirit's guidance to properly interpret Scripture as we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"

We have to remember that its not the scriptures that are corrupted. Its a man's heart that is corrupted. Intelligence, reason, and choice. Studying the scriptures requires the Holy Spirit which is inward, not outward. The Holy Spirit is within us believers, Christ dwells in our hearts, and "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27) is the burning core of the Christian faith.

Regarding communion and worship, I do understand you are saying. I will fellowship with my Christian brethren "who professes to be a Christian" even though I may not agree with their beliefs. I just don't worship with them and I won't submit to their teachings (beliefs).

There are so many who will proclaim to be a Christian but only few are really Christians. There are millions of professing Christians who "think" they have been justified, who think their sins are forgiven and that they are on their way to heaven, who show no evidence of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Many Christians are unthinkably horrified when a real sinner is suddenly discovered among the righteous. So we remain alone with our sin, living in lies and hypocrisy.

Speaking of communion, I used to attend a church that encouraged members be part of washing of the saints' feet (John 13:1-17). The purpose of feetwashing is this: Jesus asked us to do. "Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet" (John 13:14). When Jesus washed His disciples' feet, He gave an example. It was an example to be followed in practice, not merely known (John 13:12-17). We do this because Jesus set an example because He simply did it. We don't view this as a commandment. It's something Jesus asked us to do, in my view that Jesus STRONGLY encourage us when He said: "ye also ought to wash one another's feet." Another reason for feet washing, is reminds us of our need for daily cleansing from sin. It's a time of introspection and self-examination. Jesus wants us to remember that even though believers have been forgiven for all sin--past, present, and future--we must appropriate His cleansing power and forgiveness on a daily basis. Its a very bonding moment to do feet washing with fellow believers in Christ.

Spiritually, the Holy Spirit, the eternal Spirit of God,who dwelled in Jesus Christ, who empowers the Church, Who is the source of our life in Christ, and Who is poured out on those who believe as the guarantee of redemption. The Church is the assembly of those who have accepted God's offer of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. The spiritual Church is one body with many members, ordered in such a way that, through the one Spirit, believers may be built together spiritually into a dwelling place for God. Christians are called to a committed fellowship of believers in worsihp and communion.

"That if we have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from His love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make our joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose." (Philippians 2:1-2).

"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God" (Colossians 3:16).

I understand and can see why because of this quote from LCMS's website regarding communion.

"The LCMS believes that Scripture teaches that the Lord's Supper is a precious gift of God in which Christ gives us His true body and blood (in a miraculous way), together with the bread and wine, for the forgiveness of our sins and the strengthening of our faith. Because the Bible teaches that this sacrament may also be spiritually harmful if misused, and that participation in the Lord's Supper is an act of confession of faith, the LCMS ordinarily communes only those who have been instructed in the teachings of our church and who have confessed their faith in these teachings."

I understand but I can from my own conviction disagree. Its not a huge issue, its a minor issue which is not worth debating. Christians can work together even when they differ on doctrinal issues. Christian can disagree on doctrines as long as they don't agree on the doctrine of SALVATION and other important doctrines.

Regarding Church's authority, I do and will submit to the Church's authority as long as they are following according to the Word of God. It is very important for a Christian to be identified with a local Church, to come under the authority of the elders, for accountability, and, to come into the ministry for the sake of serving Jesus Christ in that local Church. It is important for us to relize that the pastor/leaders-Church relationship is very sensitive and vitally important issue.

Spiritual Education

For 3 years, Jesus taught His Disciples who became Apostles after His death. What kind of education did Jesus gave them? Reading all of the New Testament, I have come to conclusion that Jesus taught them Spiritual matters. The only Apostle that didn't follow Jesus was Paul however, Paul did have extensive education background regarding Jewish Laws that were very useful for God to use Paul when He wrote the letters of the New Testament. Through Paul's letters, we have learned GREAT doctrines who was very educated and at the same time very spiritual.

A lay pastor can be useful in a local church. Accountability involves "one anothers" that every members are encouraged to be actively serving and ministering their gifts. The writer of Hebrews 10:24-25 commands every believer to be a part of such a local body and reveals why this is necessary. "And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another and all the more as you see the Day approaching." In Ephesians 4:11 the words "pastors" and "teachers" may be joined together due to the nature of the Greek phrasing in that sentence as gift of pastor-teacher. "Pastor" refers to one who has a pastoral oversight over others as a "Shepherd". This position often requires by many Churches that pastors are to be "ordained". It is based upon the idea of shepherding and looks back to the pattern of Jesus, who described himself as "the good shepherd" (John 10:11) and is referred to as "the great" (Heb. 13:20) and "Chief Shepherd" of the sheep (1 Pet. 5:4). Many will have this gift who are not ordained that falls under the category as "lay person" are evangelists, elder, deacon and Sunday school teachers. Another form of teaching is listed in Romans 12:8 "exhortation" follows immediately after teaching. The learned disciples are to encourage others to follow them as they follow Christ through their spiritual "wisdom" and "knowledge." Wisdom and knowledge are gifts particularly associated with the evangelistic, pastoral and teaching ministries.

Deep Thoughts regarding Denominations

A church is an assembly of believers and is made up of real spiritual people. Now.. when we are talking about "spiritual Christians", we need to figure out what kind of "community" within a local Church. If the people are submitting to the Holy Spirit, who will give them fruit. Quality is measured by the Christ-like living of a local church members. The primary reason to become a participating member is not to gain a personal advantage, but to identify with the characteristics of biblical maturity and commitment to the mission and future of a local church. A local Church is for "forgiven sinners" who confessed to be "in Christ".

I am legally deaf and was involved in deaf ministries over the years. Not many local churches offer programs for deaf or any other disabilities. When a local church was created primary for deaf believers, I joined and became a big part of the deaf community who are Christians. In the New Testament, there were many verses that talked about Christians being scattered all over the world. Why? Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations." Nation from the greek word "Ethnos". Strongs defines Ethnos as a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together as a company, troop, swarm. A multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus the human family a tribe, nation, people group (culture). I was involved in a deaf culture for many years and reached out to them. God had a purpose for each one of us.

Deaf people may attend a Deaf church, or a “hearing” church (we’re using the term “church” to denote any organized house of worship) that has interpreted services, they may attend one without any interpreter, or may not attend church at all. Looking in deaf history, Thomas H. Gallaudet was ordained as a Congregationalist minister, he is remembered for his pioneering role in the establishment of the American School for the Deaf. His son, Thomas, ordained as an Episcopalian minister, founded the first Deaf church in the U.S., St. Anne’s in New York City. Typically, the Baptist is one of the main denominations that focus on deaf community. Also, Lutheran or Episcopalian are involved in the deaf community.

There is one Lutheran Church I have visited here in Columbus is Holy Cross Lutheran Church of the Deaf. LCMS have also set up a website for the deaf which is: http://www.lcmsdeaf.org/ . I might go back there even though it is alittle further than one church we live in. I am not totally deaf and I can hear with the help from my hearing aids. I just am not ready to be "involved" in ministries. I just wanted to attend worship service. Those deaf people who knows I am a Christian, often I get "drafted" into ministries when I am not ready.

I am looking at Lutherans, especially LCMS impresses me the most because all of their ministries are biblically sound and focuses on everyone and does not exclude anyone.

Many churches often treats disabilities, especially with the deaf community as 2nd or 3rd class citizens. When truth speaks, there is not burdens but rather "The truth shall make you free"; that is, free from the woes, the yokes, the burdens. The burden of loving help which we are admonished to give to others: "Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2) which never harmed a soul. Another area of burden is the moral responsibility which no one can shift to another: "For each one should carry his own load" (Galatians 6:5) which is a source of comfort if our hearts are right. The only way the spiritual gifts are going to operate is love. Love is the key. God is love. He gave us two commandments. We are to love God and others. With the Holy Spirit and love, I will walk in the Spirit, Christ produces the fruit. It is Christ through the Holy Spirit produces power, love, a sound mind through us. Christ helps us. Without Christ, we are nothing.

Theology, Doctrines and Denominations

Often people are referring to esoteric as in exhibiting knowledge that is restricted to a small group such as a denomination (as many people are doing)? I have studied many denominations and I read all kinds doctrines from various theologians including Lutherans such as Martin Luther, Dietrich Bonhoeffer and others. From the "surface", Christians are looking for any denominations or non-denominational churches who teaches the way people want so they could give their time to pursuits more to their liking, preferences and practices. I didn't say a particular denomination's theology is truth because the Bible is truth while doctrines are taught by man. I am a Christian FIRST. Secondary is the doctrines I rely on based on the Holy Spirit's conviction. In God's grace through Jesus Christ, I am free from bondage of sin. The Book of Hebrews explains that Jesus is the mediator, the executor, of The New Covenant (The New Testament). The word mediator comes from the verb "to mediate" which means a mediator is one who stands between two parties or two factions needing to be reconciled eternally. Christ through His death and resurrection, every legal hindrance has been met and satisfied. The only way to get in is to believe Him with my heart which is sealed by the Holy Spirit. Because of Christ, I am a Christian.

In summary, I am saying that the Holy Spirit gave me assurance of my faith and doctrines I follow. No Church (physical), No Denomination (flesh lead), No pastors or anyone can do this for me. Holy Spirit (as part of the spiritual Church) is the only person who can do this through the Word of God.

I agee with you that we can "chat about a particular doctrinal point, rather than about whether doctrine itself is necessary... that is simply knocking out the legs of the argument all together, putting us both into a discussion of what curls our toes on any given afternoon." Healthy debate is good. Doctrines sounds very good and simple but life is not so simple. I don't know from flesh point of view whether the doctrines I follow are 100% true unless I allow the Holy Spirit to convict my heart to follow certain doctrines. I am 48 years old (been a Christian over 30 years), I have learned so much about doctrines since I was a teen. To this day, I never met a Christian who agrees with my beliefs 100% and I also have not met a Christian who I agree with their beliefs 100%.

I accept the Lutheran Confessions which I found at LCMS's website:
"The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod accepts the Scriptures as the inspired and inerrant Word of God, and subscribes unconditionally to all the symbolical books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church as a true and unadulterated statement and exposition of the Word of God. We accept the Confessions because they are drawn from the Word of God and on that account regard their doctrinal content as a true and binding exposition of Holy Scripture and as authoritative for all pastors, congregations and other rostered church workers of The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod."

I can understand from Lutheran history that Lutherans tended to avoid ecumenical fellowship with other Churches, believing that churches should not share Communion and exchange pastors if they do not agree upon doctrine. I know that Lutherans preserve a liturgical approach to the Eucharist, considering Holy Communion the central act of Christian worship which I accept. My main concern is how does one determines who recieves or don't recieve communion? I don't accept communion services in churches that I do not agree with however, how does a local church determine a Christian's beliefs unless they are aware of their beliefs?

Of the various Lutherans denominations (LCMS, ELCA, CELC, WELS and others), I selected LCMS because of obvious reasons that rejected many liberal teachings. The bottom line is that we are to trust the Holy Spirit in this area. God will judge those who explain false doctrines. I will still fellowship and debate with my Christian brethren even though I may not agree with their beliefs. I just don't worship with them and I won't submit to their teachings. I am not a perfect Christian but I am a forgiven Christian who is still learning. I have learned that there is NO perfect denomination. I still have a lot to learn. God do not accept believers based on denominations but rather who is a sinner, are made in the image of God; that Christ's death was the substitute payment for their sins; and that because of Jesus' payment, they are granted access to the heart of God. We are in Christ, not in denomination.

Worship in Spirit, not in flesh

I have studied the history of liturgy, Divine Service along with the Word and Sacrament. I accept all forms of worship as long as they are focused on God and not for the pleasures of the worshippers. I love liturgy worship as much as I love worshipping God on other ways. As long we are in spirit, not in flesh and focusing on GOD only, that's most important. I do not accept any liberal and unorthodox worship that focus on the flesh more than spirit.

True worship involves the intellect as much as the emotions from within and that the truth that worship is to be focused on God, not on the worshiper. When Jesus said "worship . . . in spirit and truth.", it is my understanding that the context reveals that Jesus was saying true worship is more a matter of substance than of form. I believe there is "NO" wrong way of worship since worship is spiritual from the heart. That's between God and the believer who worship. There are different preferences of beliefs and different styles and preference of worship. We just have to be careful, with a reminder of this verse, Matthew 15:9: "In vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men."

Jesus was teaching that worship embraces what we do in life, not just what we do in the formal place of worship. This is what Paul was saying in Romans 12:1 "Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy, and pleasing to God, this is your spiritual act of worship." As we worship, we must worship in spirit, not in flesh as Paul wrote in Philippians 3:3 "We are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh"

I often stay away from debating with those who advocate the regulative principle do so because I really believed that they actually enjoy fighting over small matters rather than spiritual truth. Such arguements such as smallest formality worship details can easily become a form of legalism rather than in spirit. I have no interest in debating about what kind of music , regarding pastoral robes, sanctuary decorations, or other worship "steps" that is relied on the flesh.

Salvation and Baptism

Regardless how we are "baptized", the key is that if you have been baptized as in immersion, pouring, sprinkling anywhere, since you have become a Christian. This is not any different than distributing the Lord's Supper (common cup, individual glasses) part of the sacraments.

Anabaptist and other denominations baptism have been disputed for so many years. This all comes down to methology and theology of demoninational doctrine of baptism. Of the various baptism issues, the biggest issue was infant baptism.

As for infant baptism, paedobaptism or pedobaptism from the Greek pais meaning "child."

I accepted both Lutheran's baptism view that "infants are included in 'all nations'".
while the Presbyterian's view that infant baptism which is known (to me) is Covenantal Baptism. They are not the same however similar. Because they teach that baptism does not save but rather the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Salvation spiritually speaking faith is not a "choice" but rather a free gift of God's grace created by the power of the Holy Spirit working through the means of grace.

While Baptists, Anabaptists and similar denominations (mostly non-liturgical churches) teaches that credobaptism, from the Latin word credo meaning "I believe" who have made a declaration of their personal faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior. I don't have a problem with those views.

However, I do have problems with RCC and Pentecostalism's baptism views.

What's most important is when a person is convicted by the Holy Spirit to be saved.

In my views, I don't see baptism defines a person a Christian but rather the Holy Spirit defines a Christian. Often people are misled that baptism is the way to go which is related to "works". They will "take credit" for their salvation in thier own way. That is why the Apostle Paul wrote, “Your salvation is nothing you have achieved by your good works. It is a gift of God. You receive it by faith. That way no one can boast of his own accomplishments.” Spiritually, as Christians, with the help from the Holy Spirit, we have the understanding of what pleases God; our thoughts, our desires, our affections that are transformed in over time. Christianity is radical because we change from old nature to the new nature, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of God that created us.

The Cross means we are under Grace and that we are to obey God and follow His Word (the Bible). God wants a pure heart from us and He does not need to give us rules in order for our hearts to be pure. BECAUSE Jesus Christ cleaned our sins and all God wants us to do is be Christ-like. Jesus said in Matthew 5:8 "God blesses those whose hearts are pure, for they will see God." God wants our hearts more than He want us to follow rules. If we give our hearts to God, then we will know what is sinful and what is not sinful. The best definition of the Cross is this: "Salvation is free, ... but discipleship will cost you your life." (Dietrich Bonhoeffer who himself was a Luthern)

Remember Me

This is a GREAT video. Learned this from an article in the Columbus Dispatch after a story came out from FOXNEWS.

Atheist

I like this quote, "If there were no God, there would be no atheists."

God's divine intervention (i.e. trials) goes BOTH WAYS. All circumstances can turn people to God. Scriptures reveals that no trial, no disease or illness, no accident or injury reaches us apart from God's permission. Christians can answer like Joseph to his brothers who sold him into slavery, “As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good.” There are some who seem to look on the gloomy side and never able to do respond in faith to life's problems, instead, they grumble about the trials that they forget God's powerful grace.

Everyone have their own definition of happiness. There is no dispute in that however if a person uses God for not having happiness, that's the reason of my post. There are people who are happy without God and in reality, the Scriptures have explained that. Therefore, there's no dispute in that matter.

People can be happy with God in their lives.

People can be happy without God in their lives.

There are people who are not happy simply because they are not happy for whatever reasons since there are sources of "happiness" which are from the flesh point of view or from the spiritual point of view.

From my personal point of view that the universe is beautiful and mysterious. I also agree there are people who don't need Jesus to see that. Christian faith is not optimism because it breeds false hope. I believe a Christian should not be either pessimistic or optimistic. If a Christian thinks of their future that caused them to fall back on unreasoning hope.

It is a life of FAITH, not of intellect and reason, but a life of knowing Who makes us "go." "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1, 2

I always admired atheists. I think it takes a lot of faith. Diane Frolov and Andrew Schneider, Northern Exposure, Seoul Mates, 1991

Limited Knowledge, Knowing God

No matter how much knowledge we have in the Mystery of God, we will never fully comprehend God until we die. In Isaiah 55:8-9 God says, "My thoughts are completely different from yours, and my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts."

Our minds could never fathom the awesomeness of God. He is described in the Bible as One with no beginning and no ending, the Alpha and Omega. God is omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience, meaning that He has unlimited powers, He is universally present, and knows all things. He is the Author, Creator and Sustainer of all things--animate and inanimate, He made the heaven and the earth by His great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for Him (Jeremiah 32:17). He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name. Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite (Psalm 147:4-5). God is above all gods in heaven above or earth beneath. Before Him, the nations are as a drop of a bucket and are counted as the small dust of the balance (Isaiah 40:15).

God is ruling all things to work together for our good and His purpose. Romans 8:28-29 "And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them."

Jesus said in Matthew 10:29: "Are not two sparrows sold for a penny ? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father." If God can control with those two sparrows, then He will do the same for His human creatures as well.

God is a sovereign God and we have to understand that somehow, mysteriously, within the framework of predestination and within the framework of His sovereignty and the framework of salvation, which I believe in, there is a place for human freewill which is whether they respond to the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said in John 6:63 "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life."

In my position, God will not hold me responsible for my lack of understanding in the mysteries of election, predestination, and the divine sovereignty. The best and safest way to deal with these is to look to God in deepest respect say, "0 Lord, You know all."

Is the Bible for everyone?

The Bible is NOT for everyone. Its not the Scriptures that are corrupted. Its a man's heart that is corrupted. Intelligence, reason, and choice. We are to Honor the Word (not the Bible). Studying the scriptures requires the Holy Spirit which is inward, not outward. The Holy Spirit is within us believers, Christ dwells in our hearts, and "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27) is the burning core of the Christian faith.

Regarding our religious freedom, The early Christians in America were interested in establishing a degree of separation of church and state because they had been persecuted by the English government and wanted to ensure their own freedom of religion in Massachusetts Bay. They also disagreed with the Catholic/Anglican idea that the church should be should be universal, encompassing every member of the community. This implied a division between the institutions of society (government) and the institutions of the church.

Christians knows that not everyone is willing to be a Christian. If a person don't want to read the Bible, then that person don't have to read the Bible. We have that freedom.

Decisions, Choice and Thoughts

The fact of the matter is the visible providence of God has no respector (discriminate) of persons. Jesus is saying that He cannot do our repenting for us. He died for our sins, now it is up to us to pick up the cross. "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what as lost." Luke 19:10 (Many are called, but few are chosen.) The rest of mankind... still did not repent.

Remember the story about the rich ruler? Jesus looked after the rich young ruler as he walked away, but Jesus did not follow him or attempt to coerce him. Jesus wants people make their own moral choices; and Christ knew this and permitted rich ruler to go his own chosen way. Jesus is saying that He cannot do our repenting for us. He died for our sins, now it is up to us to pick up the cross. "Salvation is free, ... but discipleship will cost you your life." (Dietrich Bonhoeffer)

People can choose to believe what they want to believe. That's between that person and the Creator when the time comes.

"If Christ is in us, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness" (Romans 8:10). In other words, our human body is subject to death (and is already dying) because of sin, however our spirit is alive in Christ. I have learned and realized that Christ in me does not mean that I am no longer without sin. My old sinful nature is not ripped out from my heart. Christ is in my heart and with the help from the Holy Spirit, Christ changing me from the inside and lives through me.

People can argue all they want and not believe. That's their choice.

Ignorance, Ignorant

Christians' conclusions are either ignorance or loyalty to a specific denomination, cause, teachings (doctrines) or person. Judging based on appearance and doctrines are man-centered more than God-center. We should all take a long hard look at what things we consider to be important from God's perspective rather than man's perspective. Every person must decide whether they will us their liberty to decide on their doctrinal beliefs. We are free, but our freedom does not mean we can know for SURE what is right and what is wrong.

All of us are born spiritual ignorant, not stupid. Through Adam, we are born spiritually dead. The nineteenth-century Scottish commentator John Eadie described it as a case of "death walking". Spiritually dead people are like zombies--they don't know they're dead and they're still going through the motions of living.

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:10-11
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

You can be very smart and at the same time be very ignorant in certain areas.

Hypocrites

I like this quote, Don't stay away from church because there are so many hypocrites. There's always room for one more. Arthur R. Adams

I know that I am committed to God with every full intent to obey Him, I expect to be led by Him where He wanted me to go. In order for Him to do that, I need to focus on God with all of my heart, mind and soul. I am not a perfect Christian but I am a forgiven Christian who is still learning. This is my own "self-examination" regarding my relationship with God and my local Church. My human nature (old nature) is built upon a balance of my personal interests. Selfish personal interest is the motive behind all sinners conduct. As a Christian, I still can have sinful desires, foolish desires, and proud desires and at the same time, have godly desires. How can I distinguish my desires? As a forgiven sinner, I am not basically good without Christ in me because I live in body that carries sin and my struggle will be in the core of my heart. Obviously, my human heart is very selfish. My heart is the source of my emotions, thoughts and motives. My heart is the place of conscience. My heart is the part of my being where I desire, deliberate, and decide.

As A.W. Tozer said, "It is disciples of Christ we are to make (Matthew 28:19) not disciples of ourselves, our churches or our denominations. Granted that in discipling we can hardly avoid transmitting our own truth perspectives. Yet we ourselves must keep in mind, and those we disciple, that truth is greater than our understanding of it."

I have learned to understand the true nature of the Christian life which is unpredictable and expanding called "sanctification". God does not desire to destroy my will, but to sanctify “my will into His will”. The primary work of Christ in redemption is to justify and sanctify believers. God will use ordinary good people as well as ordinary very sinful people to accomplish great things. Through out the history (in the past 2, 000 years), God uses people of limitless backgrounds who can minister “together” (unity) for Christ. God works all things together for His purposes. I have learned that even though God does not always permit such serious life-changing situations in my life, but He did lead me into life-changing experiences that heighten my effectiveness in the ministry (or ministries) whenever and wherever He put me. God knows how to get results using people like me.

Doctrines and Love

When we argue and disagree, we will know what kind of a Christian others are and what kind of a heart they have. We always argue over things that we love, or that we disagree. We have become so brainwashed in so many ways that Christians are afraid to speak out against false teachings in any form. I will speak up when I hear doctrines that I disagree with. Doctrines sounds very good and simple but life is not so simple. There are Christians who are zealous for their "doctrines" and forget the sensitivity of others regarding certain topics.

Healthy debate is good. Extremists OFTEN will ignore the most necessary that God desires and break God's spiritual harmony. If you look back that Jesus rebuked religious leaders who had extreme doctrines that intimindated others who don't follow their rules. Christian faith is not to manipulate and intimidate people with doctrines but rather allow the Holy Spirit to do the work in convicting people's hearts. We are not to persuade people to follow certain extremist views of doctrines (that each of us hold) because only God can take care of that based on each individual as the Holy Spirit convicts their hearts.

It is something of a paradox that while thoughts deeply affect a person's will and go far to determine a person's choices, a person's will on the other hand has the power to control the thoughts. One area of thinking that needs reform is our practical beliefs which is what we hold in reality and what holds us. The difference are doctrinal beliefs and practical ones. Remember, great faiths in the Bible didn't know the differences between doctrinal beliefs and practical beliefs. They simply BELIEVED. Its not the scriptures that are corrupted. Its a man's heart that is corrupted. Intelligence, reason, and choice. As a Christian, we don't need intelligence to decide because we have the Holy Spirit that convicts us to listen rather than focusing on our own pride of reasonings. Christians' conclusions are either ignorance or loyalty to a specific denomination, movement, cause or person. I don't know in a flesh point of view whether the doctrines I follow are 100% true unless I allow the Holy Spirit to convict my heart to follow certain doctrines. I am 48 years old, I have learned so much about doctrines since I was a teen. To this day, I never met a Christian who AGREES with my beliefs 100%. I have not met a Christian who I agree with their beliefs 100%. The bottom line is that Christians follow doctrines according to the Holy Spirit's conviction. The Holy Spirit gave me assurance of my faith and doctrines I follow. No Church, No Denomination, No pastors or anyone can do this for me. There are many Christian cultures because there are Christians who will follow their conscience, feelings, beliefs and personal worship preferences. This is between God and each individual believer(s).

Christians in "spirit" can work together even when they differ on doctrinal issues however, their flesh do not allow them to work together. 1 Corinthians 6:19, "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?" MY body is "good" and wonderful gift from God. Paul said, "But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection ..." (1Corinthians 9:27). The key word here is "discipline" your flesh. Flesh-filled means "If we do not yield and honor the Holy Spirit, our lives will not show forth the blessed fruits of the Spirit!" Biblically, as a Christian, I should be submitted to, be modified and be conditioned by the Holy Spirit. If I yield under the world's pressure, this tells me that I am are too weak spiritually to resist. Can we trust the Holy Spirit to convict of sin, to reveal Christ, to open our minds to understand spiritual truth? Christians are no longer "in the flesh": "You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him" (Rom 8:9). A Christian to have the peace of conscience, not war within because if I rely on "self", or "self-will", I am grieving the Holy Spirit; "not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30). "The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given to us" (Romans 5:5). In Ephesians 5:18 where the present tense of the verb in Greek means: "Keep on being filled with the Spirit". The Holy Spirit dwells in us with all the power and gifts of God, necessary to enable us to walk the noble, spiritual, Son-like life with God. "My temorary body is decaying at the same time, my inner being is being renewed day by day" (2 Cor 4:16). It is God's will that we submit to the Holy Spirit and keep on filling (Ephesians 5:18). Like an athlete when training, we should always keep drinking water so that we won't be dehydrated and feeling weak. With that thought in mind, we should always keep filling the Holy Spirit so that we are able to act and react any given situations. "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness." (2 Cor. 12:9).

When people start reasoning by thinking psychological terminology, which is the two-nature terminology, this leads to heresy. I am having the same problem people interpreting Romans 7. We do that with Christians, we say they have an old nature and a new nature, and again, we are sort of compartmentalizing them psychologically, which isn't really biblical, either. We live in a SINFUL body with a "sinless Spirit". In Christ, we are sinless, in flesh, we are sinners.

In Ephesians 3:20 "Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us". One of the greatest example is in Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Christian faith is inward, not outward because we are in the spirit and not in the flesh. The kingdom of God is within us, Christ dwells in our hearts which "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27) is the burning core (or source) of our Christian faith. Faith is inside us which is Holy Spirit lead only when we submit in obedience. In Ephesians 5:18 where the present tense of the verb in Greek means: "Keep on being filled with the Spirit".

Christians in spirit are an assembly of believers and they are made up of real spiritual people. When we look in the mirror, we are the part of the "spiritual Church" that we are not in harmony, we need to find a way to get back into harmony. I don't mind talking (debating) about doctrines. But I do mind when Christians are seperating other Christians by doctrines which causes division. God in spirit always unites and the devil through the flesh always divides. Church divisions have been going on since the New Testament days As Paul wrote in1 Corinthians 12-13 "One of you says, 'I follow Paul'; another, 'I follow Apollos'; another, 'I follow Cephas'; still another, 'I follow Christ.' Is Christ divided?" In the Bible talks about two kinds of church memberships. First Kind of Member is at SALVATION: At the instant of our conversion, we become "eternal members" in the universal (catholic) church of Jesus Christ, based solely on His merit and grace. If you are a Christ-follower, then you are already this kind of member. This is eternal and unchanging (I Corinthians 12:12-13; Ephesians 2:13-22; 4:3-6; Colossians 1:13-22). Everyone who is saved is a member of God's Kingdom. Second Kind of Membership is at a local (denominational or non-denominational) Church, the Bible also assumes those "positional members" physically in a visible local Church and become deeply involved in the participation of a local assembly (Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians. 12:25-31; 14:12, 26; Hebrews 10:24-25; I Tim. 3:14-15).

REGRETS

Many people forget and often try to do their own ways circumstances happens that they never stop and think because their human minds often see doors closing when ignoring another door opening. I believe it is time for me to bury my regrets and start looking into positive future. I should "learn" from the past rather than "holding on to the past". It would be nice not to have any regrets. If I had no regrets, I would never grow. Regret is a sign of two things.
First, it is a sign of God's working in my life
Second, it is a sign that God wants me to do it different next time

Quotes about "Learning from History".
"What I am great advocate of looking into the past, I could warn everybody against living in the past. The only justification for looking to the past is that we may learn great lessons from it and apply them" (Martyn Lloyd-Jones)

By avoiding the mistakes of the past: "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (George Santayana)

By repeating the victories of the past: "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned not to repeat it" (David B. Calhoun)